Jul 15, 2018

P.H

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Hi all. I learned recently if you're growing in organics it is best to have your P.H on a higher scale rather than a lower an example would be 6.8 instead of 6.2 this is because organic soil acts as a PH buffer. But it only can buffer the soil downwards not back up so the time your 6.3 Ph gets buffered by the soil it will be at 6ish whereas if you give a 6.8 the soil will be able to buffer it to 6.2 this is becuase most organic soil buffers itself to 6.2 - 6.3.

 

 

 

So lets say your ph is 5.9 or 6.0 the soil wont be able to raise it back up to its natural state, this is why most people expirence lockouts, nute problems, soil toxicity, salts buildup etc. Because they have given the plant more than 1-2 feedings with lower PH. So if your ph is at 7 leave it. your plant will be happy and will naturally do the job.

 

The reason why this happens is because most of our key nutrients are taken up by the roots at a P.H between 6.2 to 6.9. For example if your ph is at 5.8 the plants works on overdrive to take up nutrients causing slower rate of photosynthesis this is why you might expirence a plants growth suddenly slow down or stop, An easy way to raise P.H is simply add water with a higher P.H than 6.2, or lets say you have a perfect P.H of 6.4-6.5 and then you add some nutrients to the water and it throws your ph off to lower than 6.2 all you need to do is add more water thats 6.2 and above and you will be able to adjust accordingly.

 

Hope this helps some people understand PH more, knowledge is life.

Be Kind to it. peace.

 

Aug 11, 2018Edited: Aug 13, 2018

I guess I need to catch up on my forum reading. This was a very informative post. I think we saw this in practice in this video series. There was some effect by the storms, but I think Chef had to add some acidity to his water, if I remember correctly. The plants have had a lot of growth since then. Something's is dialed in just right. I've learned about PH from this post and Chef's channel and site in general. Thank you for your post.

Aug 13, 2018

great info thanks. I will for sure be referencing it as things progress.

Aug 14, 2018Edited: Aug 14, 2018

Interesting post. I think you are giving some misleading information mixed in with good information though. Any pH 7.0 or above locks out calcium availability from bone meal, which is used often in organics. The pH should always be kept below 7.0 so plants can work with mycorrhyzae. Anything 7.0 and above inhibits mycorrhyzae. Also, please see my post in regard to you saying watering is a way to raise pH. I could not raise my pH with watering (soil=5.0-5.5 pH and water=7.0 pH very hard* water). I did not include this in my post on microbial economics in an experiment, but I actually literally could not raise my pH last time growing, even with liquid pH buffering product. I could only raise the pH this time by allowing the plant to work with the microbes and the soil. One of my plants in organic soil adjusted to that nice 6.2-6.4 pH you speak of, but I could not achieve that with just pH'd water.

Sep 8, 2018

hmmm., I have well water measuring 7.0+. I would like to lower it without bottle nutes or pH down(salts). So I have organic lemon juice, i have white distilled vinegar, and apple cider vinegar. These all may contain some salts, I guess? Which is the best choice, I use no bottle nutes. The soil is cooked dry amendments.

Sep 9, 2018

I think Chef B. prefers to use vinegar of sorts... Probably white distilled vinegar. I can't remember if he used apple or white distilled. Either one would acidify the pH just fine my man. Good on you for avoiding liquid bottled nutes, they usually pretty wasteful environmentally and economically. What do you mean cooked dry amendments...? Like your soil is literally pure cooked and dried amendments? Because that's probably bad man. You're probably gonna have more problems than just a high pH with well water though. I'd highly suggest getting it tested, as well water usually requires specific treatment. I don't use well water, but my water is insanely hard water nonetheless and I have to adjust my nutrients accordingly, even if organic. You're most likely going to have too much calcium and magnesium and are going to have to supplement in potassium regularly to balance out these other cations that can be really high in well water (calcium and magnesium). Do you have any idea of what the mineral content is of the well water?

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