Aug 31, 2018

Should we be consuming garlic with our cannabis


Cannabis is a well known hyper-accumulator, or a plant which uptakes significantly more of certain mineral(s) compared to other plants which uptake moderate amounts. In particular, cannabis hyper-accumulates a lot of cadmium and lead. Here are two links to bring my line of thought together for this post:

A study on hyper-accumulation in cannabis: A video from a popular nutritionist doctor on garlic's significant benefits for lead poisoning: Basically, I am wondering, since it's pretty much inevitable that marijuana will accumulate a good amount of lead and cadmium in particular of the heavy metals, is it possible to get any kind of poisoning from consuming a lot of cannabis? Cannabis also hyper-accumulates the heavy metal zinc which is really cool, but the lead is more of what worries me. I have been considering consuming garlic pills because I usually take around 3 tablespoons of hemp seeds every day for medical reasons. I also consume a lot of garlic anyway, but I am wondering if perhaps garlic and marijuana would make a good synergy for patients because of these complimentary effects? Any comments are appreciated. I might also make a post in the cultivation forum in attempt to discover a list of amendments/soil mixes which do not contain high amounts of lead (such as bone meal does) or other minerals which cannabis can potentially hyper-accumulate and potentially change medicinal quality (if the hyper-accumulation is a problem in the first place that is, and if so garlic may solve the problem anyway).

Interesting topic. As you said or implied, living organic soil should be good to go once established. You might want to check out the videos I posted on AA AA's post about soil. It would be interesting to know how each contaminant may be released from a plant. Some chemical bonds don't detach very easily. I'm wondering if extracts and concentrates would reduce or increase possible effects of any contaminants.

Sep 8, 2018Edited: Sep 8, 2018

Err yes., as I said/implied lol. I probably could ramble less and make my posts more clear so you don't have to guess as to which of those I am doing lol. I scoped the videos. Thank you for the references. Chef B's soil mixes are pretty top notch. I really only would change out the bone meal amendment, with like rock phosphate. They are similarly priced I think, crushed bone vs crushed rocks lol. Cheap stuff. *Bone meal is infamous for being high in lead content, perhaps not the best with a plant that will hyper accumulate it. Excellent question though. I also am curious about that. I would think that concentrates would concentrate the heavy metals as well, would be my guess. Maybe the best time to supplement with a lead chelating plant-medicine like garlic would be when consuming concentrates. I assume lead is not easily made an exception in any extraction methods though, in response to what you said about how constituents are released from a plant. Lead is practically everywhere and always in our systems, so medically speaking it's only a concern when levels get too high at any one time. For example, pregnant women who do not consume enough calcium during pregnancy may suddenly get lead poisoning, which is due to a side effect of her body decomposing her bones to pull calcium from them to correct the deficiency, which can release the large amounts of lead that get stored in bones over time. So, as long as things are held in a decent balance, lead isn't a problem. We just wouldn't want marijuana to push our lead levels into the toxicity zone. We've probably all had minor lead poisoning at least at some point inevitably, due to a calcium deficiency or something, as everyone seems to at least get a calcium deficiency in their lives at some point. Who hasn't gone mad hatter for at least a minute or two? Nobody really lol

Don't pay too much attention to my choice of words. lol That's just me trying to be careful not to misrepresent something someone else wrote. The hyperaccumalation topic may make a great topic for Chef B to discuss in more detail or maybe add to the book he is working on. I was thinking about whether something like male plants could be used to clean soil or if the plants then become a realistic disposal problem of concentrated contaminants. Some strains are heavier feeders than others. It's be interesting to see a list of those strains.

Sep 9, 2018

@Local Fixx lol forsure. I would agree though, I think it would be a really good topic for Chef B to discuss for the Cannabis College. You continue to have interesting questions. Why not just use males or females though to clean up soil? Either seed would do the work. I would think the benefit of no-till soil would be that plants hyper accumulate heavy metals the first round or so, and then as long as you stop adding amendments/soil that has high amounts of the heavy metals marijuana accumulates you would basically have a super clean soil to grow bud in. So no-till can be super beneficial in that way I would think, but you'd have to avoid those amendments/composts. And I would think certain plants are capable of accumulating more heavy metals than others if they accumulate more nutrients. That would be an interesting experiment. The research I have found, although I haven't looked very hard, has only covered cannabis Sativa. It seems researchers use the school of thought that there is only one species of marijuana, cannabis sativa, unlike the three strain school of thought (hybrid indica sativa) and the four strain whatever that school of thought is. However, it would be interesting if we could find better categorization of the plant in general, like if it depends on whether it is hybrid indica or sativa or if that categorization really holds no trends with nutrient absorption. I would guess the bigger the plant and the bigger the roots, the more hyper-accumulation that occurs.

Sep 9, 2018Edited: Sep 12, 2018

@Local Fixx ANother note on no-till though and maybe for Chef B, the roots hyperaccumulate the least amount of the heavy metals from the research, so even if the roots are left, the next succession of cannabis should continue to reduce the heavy metal levels by accumulating them more in their leaves and stem than in their roots. *This would mean the older the soil, the better and more clean medicine produced quite possibly. Good for Chef B for being on top of the no-till game lol

I wonder what is the current record for the number of consecutive generations for no-till soil.

Sep 12, 2018

I bet the Natives hold it with their forest gardening! But that'd be thousands of years of no-till I think

I was trying to remember the term hyper-accumulator. I saw a guy selling land. He clear cut the trees, created a rich pasture from some of it, then planted industrial hemp. He wants it written into the contract that he would have the right to harvest his hemp after he sells the property, sucking all of those nutrients out of the soil. I wonder if he thinks he'll try to sell all of the water in the ground too. Squeezing the value out as if it were a sponge. But that hemp is going to pull out those nutrients and leave that ground rather sterile, right? At the least, require a nitrogen rich cover crop and a year or two of bio mass and enzyme rebuilding. Johnny? Or am I making too much of it?

Huh. Why doesn't he harvest the hemp before selling the land? I doubt a single hemp crop could diminish the soil. I think cannabis is a pioneer plant. It prepares the field. Which means clear cutting trees and planting hemp is pretty much the reverse of the natural process. The land should be clean now though you're right on that. I wouldn't worry about cannabis sucking all the nutes out of the soil, it would mostly affect topsoil and maybe subsoil. Trees reach much deeper with their roots. Chef has reported that Cannabis roots can travel 45 ft deep though. I know redwood trees lack rhizome and are horizontal growing instead and have root systems that only go 15 feet deep at times. So maybe hemp does sap soil, but it also preps land. I mean I'm not sure. He does sound kind of like a dick though. I'd think the land should be amended and then you could plant whatever you want after hemp. The soil should be loose enough that it doesn't choke future trees even

@JohnnyCakes I don't know why he's trying to sell before he's finished using the land, seems kind of strange to me. Thanks for you input. I was reading the Canadian Hemp Trade Alliance page and watching some YouTube videos. It's getting late here, so I'll just post the keywords to the video I liked. " Organic Hemp Production - Producer Panel Q & A"

They mentioned some interesting numbers and info about crops they used for rotation. I know one guy really liked alfalfa. Even if it was about industrial hemp, I thought it was an interesting discussion about topics that pertain to general farming of Cannabis and soil health.

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